Sunday, September 27, 2009

Women + Subs = $$$

There have been several articles over the past few days regarding women serving on Submarines. Below, I have attached an article which was posted on Stars and Stripes.

If you have ever served on a 'boat' or even had the opportunity to tour know first hand they give all new meaning to "Close Quarters" I had the honor of touring the USS Miami a couple years ago. Hubster was working in New London, I tagged along (I do love the New England area). The Miami was docked in port, between underway periods. It was fascinating to say the least, how so much machinery can fit into a vessel. The galley has a huge freezer and ample table seating, as long as you don't mind your buddy's elbow in your gut. The berthing area has bunk beds which don't have Serta mattresses, but I have no doubt these sailors have no problem sleeping at the end of their shift. On board were only the necessary personnel, while the submarine lay still at sea level. I am one with a huge 'hula-hoop' zone, meaning I NEED my personal space. Submarine life would not be a good career choice for me, but Hubster made the choice and it worked well for him!

Privacy is a non event when living on a Submarine. The mission is to be done and all on board are there for that purpose only. Long shifts and infrequent personal time is simply the way it is. Submarines were designed with confined personal space, not enough bunks for the entire crew (many must 'hot-rack' also known as sharing a bunk). The latrines have limited space as well. In order to accommodate male and females living in such tight quarters, many expensive alterations are needed. For some classes of Submarines an entire new design would be necessary, for others it would be simpler to make the changes. Either way, a lot of money is needed!

What about women only boats? Are there enough female sailors to accommodate full coverage and adequately man the submarine?

We are all feeling the pinch of tough economic times. There is much talk of cutting back on military resources. Is this the manner we want our military spending utilized? What is the true number of females demanding to serve on submarines or is this simply a 'feel good' maneuver?

Is it really worth it???

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Navy ‘moving aggressively’ to allow women on subs

Leo Shane III, Stars and StripesMideast edition, Saturday, September 26, 2009

WASHINGTON — The secretary of the Navy said the service is “moving aggressively” to allow female sailors aboard submarines, a move that would open another of the few remaining career paths currently closed to women in the military.
In a statement released Thursday, Navy Secretary Ray Mabus said he and other top officials have been working on the change since he was sworn in last March.
“I believe women should have every opportunity to serve at sea, and that includes aboard submarines,” he wrote.
Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Gary Roughead, in his own statement earlier this week, noted there are “particular issues with integrating women into the submarine force” but added he believes they can be resolved.
In 1993, Congress struck down exclusion policies which barred women from serving in certain combat positions. Shortly thereafter, the Navy began allowing women to serve on some ships, but still bars females from serving aboard submarines.
Critics have long argued that forcing men and women to serve together in a submarine’s close quarters could lead to harassment, and the subs would have to be retrofitted with separate bathing and sleeping quarters.
But Roughead dismissed those claims, saying the move is an important step towards diversifying the fleet.
“Having commanded a mixed gender surface combatant, I am very comfortable addressing integrating women into the submarine force,” he wrote.
Last week, in testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen said he believes the military should “continue to broaden opportunities for women” and specifically cited the ban on women serving on-board submarines as a policy he’d like to see overturned.
On Friday, Nancy Duff Campbell, co-president of the National Women’s Law Center, lauded the Navy for promising the change.
“This is a heartening first step toward opening all positions in the Armed Services to women, who have proven their value and valor under fire in operations in Iraq and Afghanistan,” she said.


MRMacrum said...

I have no problem with women serving on boats. Besides, much of the "retrofitting" may just be done in my area and ensure more work for the Navy Yard. Our society seems intent on elevating or lowering ( look at it anyway you want) women to men's levels. The transition will not not be pain free. ANd that includes the spending of money to make it happen.

Mike Golch said...

without trying to sound like a male chovanist(man I wish I could spell better)pig.I thing tha serving on a sub crew that is mixed gender in such a silly thing that does not even wirth merit in all female crew ok an all male crew ok not a mixed crew.

Coffeypot said...

A woman can pull a trigger, push a button or flip a switch as easily as a man. However, for it to work on subs there would have to be some tough discipline involved.

MightyMom said...

nope. stooooooooopid idea from the get-go. period. dumn dumm dumb.

don't get me started on the dirty end of the stick that I've been handed by the moron followers of Friedan.

Subvet said...

Having served for 22 years in the sub force I feel qualified to say this is a DUMB idea. D-U-M-B!

Yes, a woman can flip switches, fire a gun, overhaul an engine just as competently as a man. The fact remains the difference in plumbing will always be a problem.

Gussy it up anyway you'd like, give it all the justification that suits your heart, placing men and women on boats will be unbelievably detrimental to the capabilities of our sub force.

Seperate boats won't work either, sooner or later the PC mentality would advance to cross the line into a sexually mixed crew.

I can't stress strongly enough how bad this idea is.

CI-Roller Dude said...

My Uncle was on Subs...he took me on a WWII boat when I was a kid and they were tight.
I worked with some really good female soldiers in Iraq and Bosnia who did very well under fire etc....better than many dudes.
I think if a person wants something like that, sex etc should not stand in the way.
I myself couldn't work on a sub...I need dirt to dig a hole when I'm getting shot at.

74WIXYgrad said...

Being one who likes my personal space, I appreciate the "hula hoop" comment.

I feel that mixing genders on a sub would open a pandora's box of very real problems.

Ironic thing about this comment is my verification word is "mingl"